TK's

[Rumple-teaser]

Ok peeps i've been seeing and hearing and experiencing people that seem to think some of the more destructive weapons give them free reign to TK their team mates. This will stop. if you do not know how to use panzers properly you will be kicked. firing a panzer into a group of your own teammates to get ONE enemy is NOT acceptable. panzers are an anti armor weapon. Yes i know in this game they can and are used for antipersonel. That's fine but YOU BETTER make sure you determine that you won't TK when you use it. the same holds true for molotovs throwing a molotov into a group of your teammates to get ONE or TWO enemies is NOT acceptable. Next up Artillery and airstrikes. I've seen people who do NOT know how and where to call and use these two weapons. calling artillery and airstrikes where you own teammates MUST go is not a way to use these weapons. if you do not know how and where to use them then DON'T use them. there are other ways to get one or two enemies that don't include full blown artillery or airstrikes. By the same token there are extremely valid targets for these two weapons. the most obvious is armor. so i also DO NOT want to hear complaining from people who hang around valid artillery and airstrike targets and end up getting killed because of it.

To reiterate. I am tired of people that either don't know how to use these weapons or don't care about teammates. if i see or hear about improper use you will be warned ONCE. if it continues you will be KICKED.

[CoolLemon]

is hard to say that this person used the panzer, molotov or air strike to kill and artillary on purpose or not,
each case is different, one example is the panzer were in truck barrier one in gold rushdoing spawn kill and he shoots and from nowhere show up 3 dudes of your team and you can´t avoid this tk
or shot ffe in the other team spawn and noobs who do not know were is falling rocks and ends you giving up 3 tk, depending the clock there are many noobs and they don´t know something, and the experiences one need to explain for then

same thing you throw a grenade, but some john doe suddely appears in front you and the grenade hit him and you in the tk 4 at once.

have to analyze each situation before going kicking everybody

one thing i said to pedro but he will never accept , complaint popup need to be available, and if this kind of tk happen, you give complaint and after, i don´t know, 5 tk´s he get kick

[Pedro-NF]

have to analyze each situation before going kicking everybody

Of course. That was implied in what she said.

one thing i said to pedro but he will never accept , complaint popup need to be available, and if this kind of tk happen, you give complaint and after, i don´t know, 5 tk´s he get kick

This always leads to animosity between players, besides being ineffective and a great way to fuck a game up. Noobs will file complaints without even knowing what it is. It's easy to file a complaint by mistake. Engineers will get kicked all the time because noobs or people who don't like mines or that particular player will step on his mines (often deliberately) and file complaints. And as you said yourself, morons walk all the time into team artillery (not to mention rambomeds who always think they can pass through it) and will probably file complaints against the field ops.

We have the auto team damage system for most weapons and the rest is up to the referees to evaluate and decide. There will never be complaint filing on NF.

Tolerance towards artillery must be greater because it's easy to misplace a call (like when you are calling it and get shot or bumped into or pushed at the exact moment) and the bombing will last a long while after that, and also because it's rather easy to avoid getting killed by team artillery with a minimum of attention and care. Now airstrikes are another story. I've been seeing all the time people running around with the airstrike canister in their hands as if it was their main attack weapon, and then throwing the can at the first enemy they see (or at random). Also, it's essential to know how to guide the airstrike. The bombing will happen in a straight line perpendicular to the direction the field ops was facing when the pilot said "affirmative" or "on my way", like this:



Please notice my extreme drawing skills. The two eyes were supposed to be aligned but my model blinked his left eye when I was drawing it so it ended up a little behind the other one - not my fault.

[kway[BE]]

I will also try to keep these rules in mind Rumple

Pedro, do all the fieldopses have lazy eyes? :p

[Rumple-teaser]

HAHA, who wants to bet that rumps' was getting tk last night?

Actually no but i've been seeing and hearing complaints about panzer tk's and misplaced (on purpose) Artillery and Airstrikes.

Example:

siwa oasis. allies blow the old city wall. an allied field op first calls artillery on the platform leading to the axis only door on the second level to get the field ops INSIDE the structure and tk's about 3 of his own as they try to advance through the wall. then another field ops drops an airstrike canister ON the wall as his own troops are trying to rush through killing 2 of his own that is what i mean about field ops that don't know how to call airstrikes and artillery. btw those two incidents didn't kill the enemy.

[CoolLemon]

no don´t know, today we needed some to kick one dude was stepping on all landmines propose

fuck, my english are horrible >.<

[Pedro-NF]

today we needed some to kick one dude was stepping on all landmines propose

I want very little tolerance from the refs about this. Team mine stepping is to be considered a team bleed from the moron who stepped on the mines on the engineer who planted them. Of course observation is essential to determine if the events were accidental (even when repeated, because that's inevitable in some situations), but when a ref notices that a player is stepping on mines carelessly or on purpose, boot the bastard.

[Pedro-NF]

Speaking of mines, some fucking nab on my team was laying wounded on a mine, and tapped out just as I passed him, killing me.

Don't pass by wounded teammates laying on mines. If he taps out, it will be almost impossible to determine if it was on purpose or by accident.

[Pedro-NF]

While we're on the subject:

1 - Players who walk under team artillery and suicide (death by team artillery is 99.99% of times suicide) and then complain or insult the field ops who called it must be muted or kicked.

2 - Players who insistently walk over team mines carelessly and/or deliberately must be kicked, especially if they complain or insult the engineer who planted them, in which case they must also be muted. This is to be treated as a TK by the team mine tripper.

[TommyFranks****]

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To reiterate. I am tired of people that either don't know how to use these weapons or don't care about teammates. if i see or hear about improper use you will be warned ONCE. if it continues you will be KICKED.

Right you are Rumple, but I have to say, what about the dummies that run right into their own teams air strike markers?

What about the friggin'oobs that look for coloured flags to step on?

They don't call this server Noobs Forever, for nothing. There is still plenty of stupidity, or 'noobness' on this server!

Is it possible to get the module that takes away HP when other team mates are TB or TKed? It would be great if for every bullet, every grenade, every air strike, panzer etc that inflicts damage on your team mates, that the player invloved loses a tremendous amount of XP. The more damage done to a team mate, the more XP the perp loses. Just a thought...

Tommy

[TommyFranks****]

While we're on the subject:

1 - Players who walk under team artillery and suicide (death by team artillery is 99.99% of times suicide) and then complain or insult the field ops who called it must be muted or kicked.

2 - Players who insistently walk over team mines carelessly and/or deliberately must be kicked, especially if they complain or insult the engineer who planted them, in which case they must also be muted. This is to be treated as a TK by the team mine tripper.

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT Pedro! a lot of team damage is not on purpose, moreover, a stupidity accident by the person dying.
Too bad we couldn't take away XP from players for being down right retarded.

Tommy

[Pedro-NF]

Right you are Rumple, but I have to say, what about the dummies that run right into their own teams air strike markers?
What about the friggin'oobs that look for coloured flags to step on?

Yes, refs must use a lot of common sense when evaluating these events.

They don't call this server Noobs Forever, for nothing. There is still plenty of stupidity, or 'noobness' on this server!

Actually, on any server... We even got a bunch of very skilled players. The "Noobs Forever" moniker was always meant to be kind of ironic, and also, a kind of reminder that everyone always has something else to learn, even self called "pro's".

Is it possible to get the module that takes away HP when other team mates are TB or TKed? It would be great if for every bullet, every grenade, every air strike, panzer etc that inflicts damage on your team mates, that the player invloved loses a tremendous amount of XP. The more damage done to a team mate, the more XP the perp loses. Just a thought...

No and I wouldn't use it because it would be unrealistic. There is for example an option to "reflect friendly fire", that is, the player that TB's instantly receives the same (or a percentage of the) amount of damage he inflicted on teammates, but I wouln't turn that on for the same reason (we actually had this on a few times). I can't remember if it also considers artillery, air strike and landmines TB or TK.

[Rumple-teaser]

Exaample of not using artillery correctly

the map own the tower

objective to own the tower by staying on the top of it or on the mast till your team reaches 500 points. meaning to win your team must stay up on the top of the tower or mast longer than the enemy.

improper use of artillery.

placing artillery on the top of the tower. you kill your own troops who are trying to own the tower.

i kicked one player after several warnings and NUMEROUS team kills for this and warned another about this.

the top of the tower is NOT a valid target for artillery

[Rumple-teaser]

seems in the time i've been away from the server some of these rules have gotten a bit lax so i'm bumping this post for all the newer folks

[Rumple-teaser]

Ok. "refs must use a lot of common sense when evaluating these events".
A LOT OF "Common sense" and "evalute". My opinion: These concepts never been on Rumples moderator's skills.

In the past I witnessed many situations where she ABUSED with kicks about TK. It also happened with me some times.
Players are posting a lot of mistake situations. Many variables have to be analyzed before kick somebody, and what I see is: She DO NOT EVALUATE ANYTHING.

On this months she had out NF server, her name becomes a joke between players. Example: When somebody teamkilled someone by mistake, we say: I'll call Rumple to kick you.

Now she is back and this week I witnessed a episode in Pac Man map, where she was threatening Cowy, i guess (not sure with this name), just because of 1 TK. He was defending cherry and owning his enemies. If she had power to kick him, she would do it. Everybody starts to complaint, so she left the game warning us that she would talk to Pedro about that situation.

My opinion again: Her way to "analyse" TK situations are terrible. Autokick by team bleeding does a better job than her. We don't need a NASA monkey to do automatic job: 1 heavy weapon tk = warning. 2 heavy weapon tk = kick/ban. A ref job is vital to server's health and in this period that she had absent, sincerely I've not missed her job as ref.

PS: 2 days ago I saw her teamkilling on Battery with FFE. BE WARNED!

i'm going to address these by paragraph

1: if my skills as a ref were not up to the standards of the server then Pedro would have demoted me. just because i actually did take being a referee seriously and actually watched what was going on most times in spec mode.

2: that is your opinion again if Pedro had a problem with the way i did my duties he would have handled it

3: maybe because i actually took being a referee seriously and did my job even dropping out of play to spec people suspected of breaking server rules

4: the episode on pacman map was the other player another covert pushing me off a body that i had killed which is a server violation not because he tk'd me. and yes i did tk him i had set down a stachel charge at the door and he walked into it

5: again your opinion if Pedro had any problems with the way i did my job as a ref he would have taken it up with me.

PS: i wasn't on 2 days ago i was dealing with RL family get together

[BlueBallsThePirate]

Pika, it wasn’t Cowy, it was some other dude named something like “Akalin” or some shit (he/she is a USA player). She warmed with a band for stealing someone elses uniform (the good old battle of the coverts) and she ended up TKing him with in a few minuets of warming him.

On to the subject of team killing, Everyone fucks up every once in a while. I Team Kill too, but never on purpose I don’t think any of the “regulars” would. I agree with your statement on the “Auto-Kick”, unless if the TKing is excessive an Admin should step in.

I don’t think she left because people started to “complain”, people started to act like penises by talking shit and making fun of her.(the admin can check the logs if he wants too, if i recall from my server running days all convesations are recorded in the log sheets) Anyway from what I understand she doesn’t have the ability to kick anyone anymore, if that is the case, why is this even up for discussion?

[Rumple-teaser]

I don’t think she left because people started to “complain”, people started to act like penises by talking shit and making fun of her. Anyway from what I understand she doesn’t have the ability to kick anyone anymore, if that is the case, why is this even up for discussion?

no actually i left because i lost my job and for a while my internet on top of that i was hospitalized for a while with a heart attack.

[BlueBallsThePirate]

I was referencing the day Pika posted about…… Holy crap a heart attack? How “young” are you? I hope you are fully recovered and employed by now.

[Pedro-NF]

THE OFFICIAL AND FINAL STATEMENT ON THIS MATTER BY THE SACRED EMPEROR

1 - Rumple-teaser was one of the best refs I ever had and I stand behind all of her actions while she was a ref.

2 - The "jokes" about Rumple's more rigid way of handling gameplay events are a normal thing. People who in some way distinguish themselves in any group are bound to become the target of jokes. Most of them are not meant to offend, as is the case with Rumple, except for a few people who never liked her and/or the way she acted as a ref. I myself must be the one who made most of the "I'm calling Rumple to deal with you" jokes. And I am also probably the target of most jokes, for being as rigid as her, for being the one who rules over everything, etc. That said, [>NF<] isn't the place for anyone who can't handle A LOT of teasing and joking.

3 - When I think Rumple has become acquainted with the new players and the whole new state of the server and the ET scene, I'll most probably make her a ref again.

4 - Think 100 times before replying to 1, 2 and 3 above. Compared to me, Rumple is more peaceful and forgiving than Gandhi. I never forget and I never forgive.

Recommended readings:

Your rights when playing on the [>NF<] Servers

What to do and not to do if you get muted, kicked or banned

The Great Era Of Rigidness

GLORY TO THE SUPREME MACHO SPIRIT IN ALL HIS PHALLIC SPLENDOR !!!

[jakeson]

There will never be a perfect answer to this issue and not every situation is the same. TKs happen in war, there is no avoiding it.

Recently, on Minas Tirath, Natural Force (Arcangel) TKed Rumples and disarmed her dyno, she told me, I looked and he did TK her. I did not witness the dyno disarm, But based on her former ref(and possible future) status I took her word for it and banned Natural for 3D. When he came back he admitted that he did exactly what Rumples told me and apologized for his actions.

Two days ago X-Dam was the map, you all know the small room with Axis CP. We had 20+ players and if I kicked people for TKs, I would have been all alone on the server. It was an absolute bloodbath of TKs. No one left and no one complained, they just kept running into the fight. The next map was a large map and people were still "amped-up" and there were too many TKs for such a map. I issued a general warning and kicked a couple people (at random) to make the message clear, after that TKs dropped to a more normal level.

Usually when I'm playing and someone complains about another player, I check the log to see if it did happen then I drop out and spec the accused. Sometimes, the player in question is obviously new to ET. They are wandering around, shooting at lights or the wall or crates. The clueless have a special place in my heart. Because we have something in common.

One time, someone complained about another player Tking them. While I was watching the two players, both were snipers and both wanted to be on top of a hill, they were pushing each other and finally the one who complained fired twice. The map ended right then so I don't know if the shots hit or not, he may have fired off to the side (or not) I wasn't quick enough to see the status bar. Had those shots landed I would have given at least a kick.

I remember playing a map many years ago that was just a large dark room (may have been an obj, cant remember). You could only see another player if they were in knife range. If you waited before firing you got TK'd and not them.

My thought process is this: Was it intentional, Is it recurring, Are both guilty and only one complaining, Did warning work......…

I list these examples to give an idea of what refs are there to do. Not to police every action, but to control the game. Kick too much and players leave, Don't kick at all and players leave. Either way, no one is having fun.

We know that ET IS LIFE, But to others (fags and vags ((Orti and j1))) it is just a game and that Satan hates you all equally (and so do I)